Why were coffee houses were so different in 19th century?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24884205

hmmmmmmmmmmm

I am quite curious about the old London coffee house culture. Why don’t we have it today? Could we recreate it? Do we have it today in another form? Have they been mythologised? Is it an example of the September effect?

It’s talked about as being a place where relative strangers socialised and had substantive conversations on politics and philosophy that changed the history of ideas whereas today they are places to be “alone together”.

My best guess is that clientele were so filtered by opportunity/access such that they resembled a business cafeteria or a private members club more than a public venue. I guess the closest thing today might be a subject specific meetup. I suppose that if trying to recreate one, you might want to base it around the service of a novel stimulant that can’t be found elsewhere that encourages frenzied socialisation. MDMA cafe anyone?

The cost of the coffee must have been a filtering effect.

If you’ve never had coffee before, then you’re going to be very energized.

I imagine today that most people are habituated to caffeine, and the psychostimulant effect is too muted for people to be yelling about philosophy at each other.

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